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that is all

lol, who is we exactly?

And what did you win?

should let the term end first before claiming a victory.

I'm sure those who claimed they won with a Bush vote feel like jackasses.

Well crap. There goes my job security.

Hello to military cutbacks like we haven't seen since Clinton and Carter.

Who's we? Abortionists?

Gays I think..

Cept all of their gay marriage and adoption bills are getting voted down now haha.

Guess change cant happen afterall.

Arctic who did you vote for in Minn. that race looks pretty tight there.

Listen not to these sayers of nay, Arctic.  Today America won many victories.  Victory against racism and intolerance.  Victory against ignorant slander and the smear campaigning process.  Victory against the status quo in Washington.  And perhaps most importantly, a victory for proper diction and the entire English language.

Now that last victory might seem unimportant at a glance, but trust me, it isn't.  The tone of our speech and the words we use reflect the fundamental way we think.  They color our messages and they betray our subconscious.  If not mastery, then at least a minimal respect for the English language should be a prerequisite to taking the office of President of the United States.  This one person is elected (or sometimes not) to be the representative individual of an entire nation.  I have been nothing short of embarrassed each and every time Bush has opened his mouth for the last 8 years.  To think that people in other countries might base their judgment of you and I and Americans as a whole on his speech is torturous to my soul.  

I look forward to a renewal of education in this country.  I look forward to an intellectual rebirth.  I look forward to a leader that embraces the notion that critical thought and careful consideration should precede force in all circumstances.  But more to the point, I look forward to a President that understands the weight of words and chooses his accordingly.

Look at the way our founding fathers commanded language.  It was brilliant and graceful and forceful and poetic and measured.  All at once.  It was flowing and rhythmic while saying neither more nor less than was intended.  This is not something to sneer at.  This is something to aspire to.  After all, the pen is mightier than the sword.  Unless you're trying to cut through something.  In that case, I'd take the sword over the pen and you'd be a fool not to do the same.

I live in Idaho now welcome to 3 yrs ago when i moved

JT put it the best and better then I could of, I know nothing has happen yet and that he will not change everything he promised, But for the first time since the Regan years (yes a republican) I feel like we are taking steps in the right Direction. For once in our history as a country we will be living prof that anyone can be anything they want, this will be the first time in since we started we will have a leader that is not White. In the last 40 yrs I have lived though both the most prosper time and what will turn out to be the most destructive in our history. How one can say that now the abortionist win, the Gays. yes your right they did win. they won the freedom of Choice. which is what this county was base apon, you may not like there choice, but that does not mean you should get to push your choice on them.

Night you keep talking about this revloution. Well I think it started. Today people spoke up and said that status quo just will not cut it anymore.

Did you all hear Obama's speech?  The Change already happened.  We Changed presidents.  The Change occurred today during voting hours, so you pretty much missed it if you were not paying attention.  Tune in 2010 for the next episode of Change, in which the Republicans attempt to recapture seats in Congress to further the end times prophecies.

+1

No.

I Admire Obama, honestly. Many of his concepts mentioned in his debates ran eerily similar to my thoughts and dreams of changes;

His thoughts on the reforms of Detroit.. I swear I was thinking just the same thing before he started on discussing their situation and how they are too slow to get with the market trend, which right now is fuel efficiency. He mentioned that abortion is a serious issue, but that people really need to focus some attention on preventing it from being an issue in the first place, which is what I've always believed. Several things.

What I hate though is how the white man has been discredited in this whole event.

If you didn't vote for Obama then somehow, some way you were boxed into being a redneck who was scared of a Black president. I'm perfectly fine with having one, C. Powell i'd vote for, as thats someone with credentials.

Jesse Jackson mentions the event was reconciliation for white people. Well fucking news flash, I haven't had any slaves, nor will I. Nor have I owned and operated a whites only restroom stall. I don't need fucking reconciliation.

The whole even has been nothing but a trend. Kids that don't know better, have voted on him simply because he was more in touch with the youth via internet or other places such as myspace etc. Most of them not even knowing their stances on issues casting votes.

America has fallen in love with imagery. We have whored our values out to the point that we have to look a certain way, rather than be qualified or have the right credentials.

I too, enjoyed the feeling of seeing the people jubilant over their sense of accomplishment. I enjoyed seeing the message they sent to Bush by celebrating in front of the white house. The feeling of seeing multi ethnic unison at Obama's victory speech was great.

But at the end of the day I know I cant allow myself to fall into this orgy of imagery, because the reality is that I know nothing about this guy, and he hasn't proved anything yet.

Theres the saying "Never look a gift horse in the mouth".

Take advice from the Trojans: you'll definitely want to look that gift horse in the mouth.


I want a no party system, or to be inclusive of many more parties/candidates for the presidential election rather than just two.

I want the electoral vote dissolved.

I want to be able to decide at least 1% of where my taxes go - education, defense spending etc.

That is my revolution, and I can't rely on that change to come from a senator or a president promising change. That has to come from me, and for me to voice my opinion so.


I've certainly enjoyed the foray into politics this year. This is really my first year waking up and learning about many factors an operations, so needless to say I was disappointed to learn about how some of the strings are pulled. Good to learn about though, as it gives me fuel to campaign or protest whenever possible :)

And I enjoyed watching the outside the lines thinkers, and seeing folks who aren't chained down to conventional thinking and in Washington's pockets. People like Ventura and Ron Paul have really inspired me that there is hope to succeed politically outside the fringe of the trend.

One of my best friends was inspired by the 2000 election to take a more active role in politics.  He finished 5th, which is first among the candidates who don't cover the earth with name recognition campaign signs like vagisil on a sick hoo hoo.  And he finished ahead of all the REALLY crazy people.  He got to participate in candidate forums at the library and such.

point being?

That was my entire story.

Looks like coleman is ahead by about 600 votes which is good cus I seriously don't want no Stuart Smalley in the senate.  I mean Franken's comedy routine really wasn't all that good in the first place.  McCain's 2 stints on SNL were better than Franken ever was.

p.s. Socialist Workers party all the way! (CNN doesn't even list a total tally for the Green/Socialist/Indep/etc.  what a crock, I would at least like to see what kind of percentages they get).

2010:  The year Nightstalker runs.

Vote Night!

I read the GAYEST post ever on Facebook...JT I think you are right Facebook is gay

"MLK walked so Obama could run so our children can fly"

vomit

that being said GO OBAMA!

I look forward to a FAT government that will control everything we do and will take  my money that I earned. In 2 years I will say "I told you so". To be honest, there is no big change that any one President can make to the wheels of Government politics. It's naive for anyone to say that true change is going to happen.

what he said, 4 years is not long enough to effect change on a huge scale. but anyway, how about we play some video games?

All this bitching and moaning. Now that the election is over and we have 4 years of Obama, how about we all accept the fact he is the President and work together coming up with ideas that could possibly change things for the better.

Nothing pisses me off more than people who like to spout off about how much they hate this or that, but don't even attempt to make any changes. If that's who you are go back to fucking England with the rest of the bitches that were too lazy to make a change.

Change Together. How's about Nowish.

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AMEN

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fixed that for you

Bingo

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Once I heard/read this ladies comments I fell over and couldn't stop laughing for a good 5 mins.

Alleluia, we are all saved.....

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are mutually exclusive statements. The government is going to become huge and unmanageable and will take ur money and guns!!!  The President really can't change shit.  Nothing is going to be different.  What??!?!!!?!!!


I really think McCain supporters are going to be pleasantly surprised with Obama's presidency.  At least I hope so.  We'll see.  AMERICA!

I thought the governement was allready huge and unweildy and trying to take our shit. 

JT the first part applies to the huge majority Democrats now have in Congress and the Senate, and the fact that there is no check to that in the Presidency (veto power)

The second part applied to the naive view that the President can change anything. We'll see, if there was an opportunity for a President to change things now would be the time. The question is will they actually change things for the better. Or are they just going to redistribute wealth.

Also, for you Obama supporters, did you vote for "Change" or did you actually compare the candidates stances prior to voting. Just curious, since it seems to me, when I ask people what "Change" means, they are unable to define it.

I voted for a President that could truly change the way our country is perceived on the world stage.  Obama will be hugely popular among our allies and will likely make inroads with countries that we've traditionally not had great relations with.  I voted for a candidate that in my opinion would be best suited to change our foreign policies for the better (with new ideas that aren't that far fetched) and will regain the respect of the world.

It's never a guarantee, but if Obama makes it a shit-show we can very easily give control of Congress back to the Republicans in 2 years.  That's not a long time really, but if he just so happens to do a good job and is making progress...we can stick with him and hope that we can move forward even further.

gr0n you marxist!

If I may ask a question of the McCain supporters in return; How were you alright with some one as grossly inept as Sarah Palin on the ticket and did it ever make you question the judgment of McCain and his advisors when the picked her?  

Whoever stayed on after the Palin choice did it because they are racists!

I for one am happy that Obama won.  He had a great campain and he is a very charismatic speaker.  He also has some decent ideas.

But, I don't see it as a big ray of hope and sunshine.  Honestly, I am willing to bet we are facing the same difficulties 4 years from now that we are facing today.  Unfortunately, in politics when someone says 'we need to work together to fix these issues', what a politian usually means is 'I am going to make a policy and everyone should agree with it'.  That, and a lot of his policies don't exactly seem to be going against the 'status quo', alot of them are ideas that have been brought up before.

But.. I also hope that he proves me wrong and all become rich and drive cars that run on dreams.  :)

I, for one, welcome our new African-American overlords


Honestly though, I'm really glad I could finally vote and pretend I alone made a difference (They just call Maine as Democrat, they don't have to count). Gotta say though, I'm entirely burnt out of politics for a while. I'm anxious to see where Obama will take us. I know the president can't make any giant changes in 4 years, but they can at least make a change in direction that will be felt in 6-10 years.

I also will enjoy the fact that, now that a black guy is in office, people can't really generalize every white person as racist anymore (geriatric people and rednecks are still free game, though)

yes.

I know why they picked Palin, as does anyone who payed any sort of attention to the Race. I don't think they thought the Palin choice all the way through, but I don't think it was the worst choice anyone could have made. I'm not entirely opposed to her religious views though, so that's not really as much of a factor for me as it is for some of you. Her experience isn't a real issue for me, she has experience, though maybe not as much as some would like.

Glad Obama won.

Even more glad Bush will be gone in a few months, and thats what is most important.

I liked mccain, and i initially liked palin, but she ended up looking like a dumbass and not in a media spin way either. All by herself. That didnt look good for the ticket and didnt look like a thought out choice by McCain, not something you want your president doing- making bad choices like that.

Now if Romney or Huckabee were picked for VP, i think we would have seen a much closer race. but whatever, i think Obama will do a good job.

Randoru hates gay people, you read it here first. 

Rand gets hit on a lot by men....It probably gets old

I was saying the entire time that I think Huckabee would have made a much better VP pick. He has a good amount of experience, has a LOT of charisma and knows how to use it, and still has the good conservative views that the Republicans can identify with. Palin was a good shock pick for about a week or two, but after that we kinda bit it hard. Too bad McCain couldn't repick without looking even weaker.

I've never claimed otherwise, thank GOD it's my right to hate them if I so choose. They have the right to be gay if they like, and I have the right to not like it.


Actually I like Gay people. I've always liked you Red!

Huckabee was my Preacher growing up. He was my top pick from the start.

I wish...I could double my dating pool that way

All you have to do is find someone to date you, then you go form one to two, doubling your dating pool

Randoru makes unsubstantiated claims about the afterlife and he hates gay people, you read it here first.   

I'm with you Rand.  I hate gay people too.  So if you are gay and you show up to my front door, the only thing you are going to get a response from is my AK-47.

Fixed.

Under Obama, best thing you will have rights to when defending yourself against a homosexual onslaught is a pellet gun.

AK-47?  Is that what you call it these days?



Nick's dead-on.

And JT is right -- having an eloquent speaker being the face for our country is far from a bad thing(and it's been a hell of a long time since we had one), but we had just better hope that he has the brain to back-up that speaking presence.  If anyone has ever had a chance to alter the course of the country, it has to be Obama.  He has the presidency, both sides of Congress are controlled by his party AND he has impassioned supporters willing to listen and do their part to make a difference.  

Unfortunately for him, Obama has also set himself up to fall hard.  His campaign was built around the word "change", which someone mentioned that Obama supporters had a hard time defining what that translated to in real life.  The reality is that he is inheriting, unless several miracles befall the U.S. in the next two months, a substantial economic situation and two wars -- neither of those are things that will be solved quickly, short of the aforementioned miracle.  It will certainly be a mammoth of a task to handle both of these situations (I'm not saying to conclusion, just to handle them responsibly) and still bring improvements to the lives of American citizens such that they feel he has delivered on his promise of change, and all of that within the next four years.

Honestly, I hope he does pull it off, I would love to see it all work out and our country could sure use it.  Personally, I don't think he and McCain (yes, I know JT, "GOOK!!") were that far apart on a number of issues so I wasn't going to be overly upset with whoever won last night.  However, I would have preferred better VP candidates from each of them (I'm sorry, I don't trust Biden and being a diabetic, I'm pro-stem-cell which means that Sarah Palin thinks I'm the devil).

Side-bar:  Would someone tell Oprah to shut the fuck up.

Lastly, an idea: stop being African-Americans, Mexican-Americans, European-Americans, Chinese-Americans and just be Americans.

Oh come on now. Turkles junk is bigger than a pellet gun. At least give him .22 credit. Besides, I don't think you showing them your wang will frighten them Turkles. Tell them about how if they step inside you can convert them to straight. You can cure their desire for "teh peniz"

get a job hippy

Couple points here.

Obama is bi-racial.  Why, o Chosen Ones, do we call him black?  Is this your own closet rascist coming out perhaps that views anyone with any black heritage or blood as not good enough to be called white, that they are automatically 'black'?  Why isn't he bi-racial, or mixed...or better yet just our next President?

Second...someone pointed this out, but it is so often forgotten.  You have the right to be queer, and I have the right to not like you because of it.   Why do liberals feel like everyone MUST ACCEPT their viewpoint and agree with them?  Just because you like whacking off with sand paper doesn't mean I have to do it to, and it doesn't make me wrong for not liking to do it.

That is all.

Because that is what the media has been reporting for...months and months?  And, IIRC when the subject of history being made (by us voting in the first black president) is discussed, it isn't his white side that creeps into that discussion.  And....furthermore, MOST people in this country are bi-racial.  Being bi racial is no big deal.  On a daily basis you probably walk by hundreds of bi-racial people every day.  I am.  But if I were to become president...who cares what race I am? 

Calling people on this board who talk about him in this way "Closet Racists" is a bit overboard, and I sure as hell don't appreciate it.

Yeah...he's not black...Turkley has darker nipples than Obama!

The fact is he isn't 'black' anymore than he is 'white' if you want to get technical, yet people automatically classify him as being black.  Regardless of the fact that his mother is white.  Ask yourself why does our society label him 'black' and tell me the answer.

Sorry Turkley, but if you don't see why this is wrong I don't know what to tell you.  There is nothing wrong with being bi-racial, my children's aunt is bi-racial.  Yet it seems our liberal media loves to seize on the 'black' side of the man, and I don't understand why he is classified as being black when he clearly isn't.

Of course this also brings up the point of why aren't we all just Americans, I don't feel the need to run around and try to get special benefits by calling myself German-American.  But that's a dead horse already.

I'm all for calling him Black if it means the first black president has been voted into office, and we can get past all the "White man never lets me get ahead" mentality.

As of right now a Black man has gotten as far as anyone could hope to get in this country, and no one held him back. Maybe this will be the catalyst towards a new togetherness as Americans.

Now, if it will only work in practice instead of wishful thinking.

I won't be happy untill a black man knocks up Sarah Palin. 

REPERATIONS!

I feel the same way Randoru, however the race card is too convenient to not be played for every situation that you do not get your way.

I certainly know that. It gets played all the time, and always will. If it was beaten into my head my entire life that certain things would or would not happen to me because I am, lets say the dance commander, then I'd play the dance commander card everytime something I didn't like happened. It's easy. It's familiar. It's what I was taught.

First off I'm not Turkley.

That being said.  I am bi racial.  I am not of African decent.  The way you are saying what you are saying is that the only way to be bi racial is to be white and black.  (which just saying you are white or black doesn't define your race).


He is being classified as being black because it is the first time someone of African decent has obtained the highest political office you can in this country.  A pretty big deal wouldn't you agree?  It has nothing to do with being racist, or special privliges or any of that.

what races are you stu?

I think the point is,

Leave white out, and use this example, Say Obama is African American and Asian. Would it be the first time a person with African American decent or Asian decent made it to the Oval Office. I think it's great that a person with African American decent made it to the Oval office, but we are certainly not talking about someone who was EVER underprivledged.

I like to think of my self as Atlantic Islander. Half of my family is from Wales, the other half from Ireland. Both Islands in the Atlantic. ;)

thats some combo right there!

C'mon Stu, don't be an ass now.  We're both big boys.

We are talking about Obama here, and that is why the bi-racial example was black and white.  I don't really have to explain that to you as I've read your posts since I joined the guild and you are an intelligent fellow.

I have a problem with him being classified as being black, or being the first black anything personally.  But then, I'm not still living in the 1860s.  Until this country gets past the point of whether your mailman is black or white or asian it's always going to be the same ole shit being contorted and used for political propaganda and special priviledges by all involved.

Now I did it, I feel a JT post coming.

Please, if anything, I wish this country would stop using "Race" to define colored variations of the same race, the same species.

That is a social creation and has no functioning factual basis in science. I'd hope that the mass would stop using this construct past it's real purpose.

We couldnt reproduce with Neanderthal because we were separate race from them. thats the distinction and thats it. We're the same fucking people, some whom have got a sun tan to reflect the suns heat in hotter conditions, and others whom have paler skin to absorb the sun's heat in colder conditions.

Get a brains morans.

He's proud of his heritage just as I'm proud of mine. He's the first African Decendant to be in the oval office. If people call him black, so be it. That's just another term for people of African Decent. Why is it such a big deal?

Also, I agree with Sheepkoth.

I wholeheartedly approve of Nightstalker's message.  I love Asian women just the same as black women, however your woman is the best one cause I ain't gotta pay the bills.

Why is it such a big deal?  Because when I won the hot dog eating contest they didn't say I was the first German American to do it.  Why? 

Exactly, that's the point.  Get the fuck over it.  Every variation of skin color has been enslaved or beaten down and opressed. I could give a shit less about the first anything.  You know why, because if he is a human then he isn't the first one.  But people want to still hang onto labels and skin color, which just causes more racism in this world.

Because Germans eat the shit out some sausage, so I doubt you were the first. 

A black guy became president. Not more excuse, no more blame, no more affermative action. I think its aweome we have reached that point, but i dont want to see anyone else using race as a crutch.
We have reached the point of equality. All men are created equal so lets just lets act that way.
There are still asshats who are racist of course, but that is a far minority now (ironic eah)

Of course i would never say that anywhere but a forum on the internet cause that would be racist.

I do eat some sausage, no lie.

You are all stupid.  Post this in the other thread so Unno can see it and post something stupid.

Listen to more NPR, they know what Change is.  They cried tears of joy today all the way to the airport and back.

How about differently-pigmented?  First Differently-Pigmented President.

Well, not really sure where you're going with this Gristle.  I'm an ass, no...I'm an asshole...deal with it, everyone else does.  Maybe you should get the fuck over it, take your own advice.  Or go over my previous posts 1 more time so you can try to understand what I am trying to say.

IE:  I'm just explaining why people are referring to him as black as I see it. 

And quit hating on Carlos Mencia so much.

Carlos Mencia steals his material. 

I fucking love to hear this shit..... shows how dumb she really is....




Now the whole story was better explained by Carl on the Bill "I'm a fucking douche bag" O'Reilly show tongiht.  I haven't been able to find that clip yet though.  BTW, the chick that posted this on YouTube is fucking hot.

My Native ancestry is screaming for all you of colonist blood to get the living shitass off my land.

p.s. hot chicks should be the main topic of every thread.

Truth.



Gristle, don't get too offended by Stu.  He is the resident asshole.  And he does it well.

Stu, why did you have to mention Carlos Mencia?  Now we have to listen to JT go on and on about how stupid he is.

Carlos Menstealia

is this it?

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Vice presidents don't have to be smart.  You remember Quayle?  When you call single mother's dumb for raising a child by themselves it just ain't good learnin.

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Rarely is the question asked, "is our VPs learning? 

Also, think this chick can get  VP nomination out of this?

http://www.faniq.com/blog/Caitlin-Davis-Former-New-England-Patriots-Cheerleader-Dismissed-After-Drawing-Swastikas-On-Drunk-Friend-Blog-13595

Stu, I will still love you in the morning if you suckle my nuts.  I promise I'll still call you.

OMG.

God forbid someone have a life from their work.

Thats the most boxed up anal thinking thing i've seen.

I even seen a star of David drawn on the friend. That in itself suggests that there was no political agenda involved. Its just kids having stupid fun.

Moral of the story:

None of us could ever be a Patriots cheerleader.

Yup that's it.  Oh and...  Bill O'Reilly is a douche bag.

Well my problem with O'Reilly's assesment of the situation is that he brushes off her not  knowing the countries of the continent she lives on  or knowing that africa isn't a country as no big deal. 

Also, Night I can be anything I want to be. 

I believe he's 95% Italian and 38% EhhhhOhhhian

actually 50% italian and the other 50 ...no clue.

I was close.

Please tell me this will end well...

I think this is a poor choice just because of the climate in the states today. Granted he wasn't there very long and did want to fix things.

http://www.abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=6201900&page=1

Ya, that seems like a poor choice on Obama's part from a PR perspective.  Even if this man did nothing wrong and wasn't there long the guilt by association isn't going ot help much

This is true, but Rahm is going to be the Chief of Staff, not the Secretary of the Treasury.  From a Chief of Staff standpoint, he's going to be a fucking champ.  He loves to keep shit straight and bust heads.  Obama will have an all-star cabinet.  You'll see.